“I think it’s absolutely insane that it’s even a public policy issue now, that city councils are even discussing what we do about these statues,” Kathy Camp says in the first segment, launching into her view that liberals are overreaching with calls to take down controversial monuments. “There are other inanimate objects that have really important value,” Matt Camp shoots back later, defending his own view. “Don’t tell me the US Capitol is not a significant place.”

Welcome to Helping Loved Ones Divided By Politics (HLO), a groundbreaking new Braver Angels program that goes further than ever to help real relatives through real political struggles, all in real time.

“When I ask people why they come to Braver Angels workshops, the two biggest reasons are that they’re worried about the country and they’re worried about their families,” says BA co-founder Bill Doherty, a renowned family therapist who coaches red/blue relatives at the live HLO event. “What we’ve done for years is workshops and trainings, but I think we learn best when we can get into the specifics of a relationship.”

Like all Braver Angels programs, this one takes a bit of courage from participants, especially for its most innovative segment—the enactment. That’s right: At each virtual event, Bill asks the featured pair to argue about a political issue precisely how they tend to in front of him, a panel of red/blue listeners, and a live audience that’s there to learn.